Episode 139

About this Episode:
What does everyone think of the new Cheryl face? I think it’s just fantastic.

Zombie Cliché Lookout:
Mourning is a funny thing is zombie stories. In real life, mourning is an essential process we must all go through to cope with a loss, and we all go through it differently. In zombie stories, mourning is something else entirely: it’s a liability. When you lose a family member, friend, loved one, coworker, etc. you need to either put a hole in their head with a quickness, or put a considerable amount of distance between yourself and their mouldering remains. Because if you don’t you’re probably not going to be around long enough to regret it.

166 Comments

brickzedhunter

the new face is grate its not just a smile theres an expresion and a little mole.

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Lich Barrister

Totally tedious. Even putting on little “x” eyes for corpses takes too long.

I’ve just done up several heavily ‘shopped strips, and it’s very time-consuming.

Dave

Exactly. Doing it as a once-or-twice thing is palatable. Changing the look of a primary character for every appearance she makes? No way.

BrickVoid

Here’s the thing: If it’s the SAME task you’re doing in photoshop every time, you can record it as a macro and just rerun the macro whenever you need to take the same blemish out. If it varies in size and position, that’d probably be a more difficult thing to do.

You could ask in your photo image editor’s forums if there’s an easy way to remove such blemishes, they’ve almost always got an easy editing trick up their sleeves! 😉

Dave

It would definitely change in size, etc. every time, but you’re right. Photoshop people might have a trick or two.

the dude person

Yes! This is what I stayed up for! 😉

I think it’s a great face, although I think now she looks more angry than upset, sad, or freaked out.

After ranting all over your last episode with scientific speculatory junk, I must say that something that always bothers me in movies (of any genre) is when people die WAY too quickly. Unless you get hit in the right places, a bullet can take a few hours to kill you, and without medical attention, you’d just kind of sit there in shock, bleeding out…

But in movies, a non-important character gets shot, and that’s it. He falls over, and he’s dead. Moving on.

I think more realistically, these people would lie on the ground, gurgling or squirming feebly until their deaths. Although one could argue that they may have simply passed out from the pain, and will die anyway while they are passed out, and thus are basically dead already….

Anyway, I feel that Shannon died very quickly. If I was making a zombie comic (oh, wait a second… 😉 ), then I would have had Shannon gurgle something through her bleeding throat, and then the rest of the party would have had to watch her die slowly, knowing there’s nothing that they can do for her in the middle of a zombie-infested city with no medical supplies, and at the same time wondering what last words she’s trying to get across…

Perhaps that’s slightly too dramatic or intense, but it’s just something to consider. I suppose we can just say a minute or two passed between episodes or something!

Anyway, it’s another good episode, can’t wait for Monday’s!

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brickzedhunter

i think she will turn next week. and murphy or someone will shoot her.

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Dave

I think those are excellent points. People dying quickly in movies bothers me too. Especially when there’ very little trauma (the tea cup in Chronicles of Riddick, for example).

As far as Shannon goes, I was going for the shock of just how quickly this could happen. Stop paying attention and it’s all over. I wanted to kill the character off without giving the group a chance to try to save her, make peace, or say goodbye. Throat ripped out, she passes out and bleeds out in no time.

Above, she may still be slightly alive, just with very, very weak vitals. But for all intents and purposes, Shannon is no more.

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brickzedhunter

i kinda want the team to get stew and leave because its inevitable that she turns into a zombie. what is murphy gonna say about it.

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BrickVoid

Stewart is absolutely correct, and he needs to be man enough to act long before the zombified Shannon wakes up! Cheryl needs to understand that once Shannon turns, she is no longer their friend!

There’s no two ways about it: Someone will have to make the toughest decision the group’s ever faced, and the sooner the better!

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BrickVoid

Also, I was wondering why hasn’t any member of the group called Cheryl out on the fact that they’ve seen what makes these people turn into zombies and she somehow missed that vital piece of information?

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A Monkey

I think that most people would become emotional when a person that they care about dies, and they’ll forget things; think illogically.

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Randomnessly

Stew would be that kind of guy that shows no emotion about a dead group member.
On a side note that is a pretty good face for Cheryl.

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brickzedhunter

if i was murphy i would walk up check her pull do cpr (not mouth to mouth) and tak a ten count if theres no pulse then i will shoot her between the eyes.

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Adelaide C.F.

But then again, Stew is kind of right this time.
They wouldn’t like to be around when Shannon becomes zombie :-/

As for Cheryl – agree, great face.
Shannon’s face in the previous episode was damn good, too.

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Dave

Wasn’t it? That’s in my rotation for surprised/scared women. I used it for Cheryl in one of the upcoming episodes.

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Calicade

I knew Stew would end up becoming a voice of reasoning. The crowd will see him as a heartless cold bastard. But in the world of Zombies, he will grow quickly, and start to learn reason and sense. Such a cruel world to grow up in.

I like zombies..

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brickzedhunter

thats yrew you have to cut your ties in a zombie world hes only 16.

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Dave

Ah, but what happens if this is only a localized event and quickly contained. Stew would be damaged and unable to reaclimate to society for the rest of his life.

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Calicade

Then hes weak >:|
Plus that would mean a-lot of teenagers would be like that, could start a
“Life is haaaard” Group and talk about his feelings and cut his wrist.

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Dave

Respectfully disagree.

When people adapt to deal with severe trauma (disaster, war, etc.) , they often have a very difficult time reacclimating to normal society. Look at soldiers with shell shock or those Vietnam vets you always hear about having flashbacks and whatnot. Are they weak? Of course not. They had to adapt psychologically to deal with something, but couldn’t easily go back.

Calicade

But that’s war against other still mentally viable humans… I guess when it comes to zombies I declassify them into the category of deadly animal. When I view War and soldiers that have come back from such areas I find it far different. Its people firing back and others sneaking right up on you.
Though I guess it could be made similar. Zombies can sneak, and take away those who are close.. And if your surviving with others they sort of become your ‘brothers’ in arms.
But only way I can see that they will truly be taken from the normal society if it does continue to go on and then that becomes life.. I say this because Raiders/Bandits will develop and war will be common life.
Not saying I’m a big fan of Anarchy or anything (Quite the opposite, it breeds dictators) But If a zombie apocalypse would happen I think I would fit in with such a world better.

the dude person

War against other human beings is quite similar to war against zombies.

In both, you’d be killing what appeared to be other living human beings. Many times in war, the army and individual soldiers encourage racism against the enemy, and try to dehumanize them. If you think of the enemy as savage animals, then they become much easier (psychologically) to kill. It’s how the soldiers can rationalize the killing: they’re not really killing other people, just these subhuman evil animals.

A prime example of this is American soldiers during World War II who fought in the Pacific; they referred to the Japanese soldiers derogatorily as “Japs,” etc. Upon coming home, some soldiers still viewed any Japanese Americans (or other Asian Americans) as the enemy.

Look at what happened to the German people during World War II, they became completely racist against the Jews. They tried to exterminate them, and they thought of them as sub-human. I’m sure that most German soldiers could never rationalize all this killing of other human beings, except that they did not think of the Jews as truly being other human beings.

Dehumanizing the enemy used to be quite common; who could kill another soldier who they saw as another human being, who had a family just like their own at home worrying about them? (Ever read “All Quiet on the Western Front” in High School? 😉 )

A “war” against zombies is highly similar. The zombies really have been physicially dehumanized, but the psychological impact of repeatedly killing creatures which appear to be grotesque distortions of human beings, especially those whom you loved and cared about while they were alive, would be severe.

In order to deal with this trauma, it’s quite possible that the survivors of the zombie apocalypse would adapt psychologically to constant killing, rationally dehumanizing the zombies. If they couldn’t dehumanize them, if they still considered the zombies as human beings… then they might have to adapt in such a way that they lose all regard for human life. Some people might even start to enjoy killing zombies.

So what would happen if there were no zombies left, and a traumatized survivor stumbled upon a city that was well-fortified early on in the outbreak, and was still a thriving center of human society? What if the world began to rebuild afterwards, and life returned pretty much to normal?

I think the survivors would possibly keep some of their violent tendencies. With no zombies left, they might have violent outbursts and end up killing other people. They might even consider nobody to be trustworthy, with old instincts of “they might be infected!” kicking in.

So just the depression or paranoia brought on by traumatic experiences could be crippling. It would certainly be difficult for a survivor who’s been through a lot to settle down again in society.

Who knows what else would happen? A survivor might freak out upon seeing a crippled or mentally handicapped person, who perhaps cannot walk normally, and view them as a shambling zombie just long enough to kill them.

After several years in zombie survival mode, I’m sure it would be difficult to reacclimate to society.

A Monkey

I have to respectfully disagree with The Dude Person, I think that a human conflict would be extremely different from a zombie one. In way, you’re killing another HUMAN BEING that talks, sleeps, and might even be exactly like you, except that they live in a different country and speak a different language. When a soldier kills another, he hears their screams, knows that they are in pain. A Zombie doesn’t scream. A zombie, doesn’t have feelings, they can’t feel pain, they won’t scream.

And even if survivors DID keep “violent tendencies,” in this situation, it wouldn’t matter. Dave has already said that there are outbreaks all around the state, (wherever that might be) and I’m pretty sure the outbreak isn’t just in one state. 4 or so survivors aren’t going to make a difference in this town, forget about the state; things are going to get out of hand quickly. It’s most likely that there is an outbreak all around the country, this isn’t going to go away fast, if it was, Dave would have to end it after a few years. I don’t know where Dave is planning to take this, I’m ASSUMING he isn’t going to end it for a few years, so that means this outbreak is big, or will get bigger. Therefore, a “violent tendency” would be good in a society working towards ridding the world of Zombies. I would envision it like the period during a leading up to the revolutionary war, where most everyone had a gun, and knew how to use it.

I don’t remember any stories about soldiers in the revolution having violent tendencies and killing someone, so that didn’t seem to be a problem, and I think that the revolution was worse than many modern conflicts (excluding WW1 and WW2).

I understand the psychological impact of killing a reanimated zombie of someone you knew and cared for, however, it’s all on how you look on it and whether you dwell on it, but that is probably the only major issue in regards to the sanity, other than the incessant moaning of the zombies.

Dave

It’s set in an unnamed town in Northeast Lower Michigan.

Regarding the Revolutionary War being worse than WWI or II. That’s really hard to say. You didn’t get as much reporting from actual soldier, embedded journalists, etc. Records probably would have been as detailed as they were in the 20th century. The one thing we do know if that medicine was awful. Amputation was common, as was gangrene and the like. Not fun.

Of course the brutality of all conflicts was great; such is the nature of war. But you must remember that technological advances (specifically the machine gun) made combat in WWI a meat grinder at times. World War II was the most destructive conflict of all time. Whole cities were destroyed, civilian casualties were staggering. And lets not forget all the atrocities.

Calicade

In the Revolutionary war people were far more harder.. More deaths would accumulate in training than battle. And after awhile the only killing that had actually been done was by some awesome Hill billy Snipers in the trees.

Calicade

PS~ Most German people didn’t actually know about the Kill Camps. It was a secrete being hidden from even the soldiers by Adolf his secrete police, and all those who had heard the rumors about it.

A Monkey

Dave you misunderstood. I said EXCLUDING WW1 and 2.
“I think that the revolution was worse than many modern conflicts (excluding WW1 and WW2).”

Dave

You’re right, I totally missed that. Apologies.

Still a tough call. Korea and Vietnam had their share of brutalities.

Madame Lecter

I’d be upset if a friend died, but in a zombie world–I KNOW BETTER! I’ve already told my friends that if they turn into zombies on me I won’t hesitate. I’ll decapitate them so fast with whatever I could find! My survival instincts would kick in–there would probably be a split second of “NO…not you! *cry as as I bludgeon them to death with a frying pan* lol Best thing about that scenario is my friends still love me and would do the same for me :} I

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A Monkey

C’mon! Go! Sam needs you! They’ll be down to 3 members if they don’t hurry.

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Dave

Hah! I love that people are worried about Sam. He’s kind of morphed into my favorite character.

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the dude person

Sometimes it’s amazing how the characters of your own creation can sporadically change… they become something you never meant them to be, and sometimes they even surprise you, as if they’d taken on a life of their own. It’s really a beautiful thing when that happens to you.

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Dave

Yes indeed. Sam’s come a long way from a loose Hudson from Aliens type character.

Nekrospike

Lol just came back from holiday and stupidly read this last one for going back a few pages >.<

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Nekrospike

Lol but great character kill off, didn’t see it coming. Well I definetly didn’t when I clicked the Last button lol xD There should be a buttong for Last viewed to not ruin spoilers 🙁

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ZombieMutts

I have two and one new unasembled in a bag I opened to see what was inside. We can trade if you want, if not thats cool to. I am sure you have a dupe of some series fig I don’t have.

Holla at meh.

ZombieMutts

Any of the below…I might have the series # off

Series 1 Elf, crash test dummy, clown, magician, ninja, wrestler, caveman
Series 2 roman , Egyptian, disco, explorer, vampire, weight lifter
Series 3,archer
Series 4 Muskteteer, Viking

ZombieMutts

ok weird…wordpress obviously thinks I am spamming…let me do this without the numbers…

Elf, crash test dummy, clown, magician, ninja, wrestler, caveman
Roman , Egyptian, disco, explorer, vampire, weight lifter
archer
Muskteteer, Viking

ZombieMutts

Try number 4 since wordpress thinks I am spamming and won’t let me post….

Series 1 Elf crash test dummy clown magician ninja wrestler caveman
Series 2 roman Egyptian disco explorer vampire weight lifter
Series 3 archer
Series 4 Muskteteer Viking

brickzedhunter

i told four of my friends that if a zombie apoc happens get clothes and weapons but travel light and go to big five (just like gander mountain) and we will get there knifes, bats, sport shotguns , hunting rifles, sucurity shotguns ect………. and put it in the back of my tahoe(big van maade by honda) and take a road trip to california and live in someone’s mansion. i did not think of the last part from zombie land i just thought it would be fun if it happened in real life.

tyzan8

My neighbor has 64 guns…i’m prepared.i odubt it would be fun though.

Dave

Sounds like your neighbor is prepared, anyway.

We live next door to a gun nut too. Nice guy.

A Monkey

Dave, honestly, I would be more comfortable with a neighbor who likes guns. And has 67 of them. Because if the zombie apocalypse DOES happen, you know where I’m headed.

Dave

Oh don’t get me wrong. I’ve got no problem with gun enthusiasts. Everyone needs a hobby.

Nikolai

This is always a moment in every zombie film. A team member gets infected, but there is one person that just refuses to accept the fact that they’re story is over. This is always an interesting part until the person who is doing all the work (Sam in this case) is no longer at a safe vantage point and the whole plan goes to hell. I don’t know if I’ll survive until the next comic! The anticipation!!

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ZombieMutts

I tried to watch it again not too long ago. It will forever be one of my favorite childhood movies of all time but I couldn’t fight through it. Same with “The Last Starfighter” 🙂

Dave

I haven’t seen The Last Starfighter in ages, but I watched Red Dawn last year and still enjoyed it. Probably nostalgia.

Nikolai

*sits staring at computer, blinks one eye then the other”

BuilderNate

Sam probably freaking out right now 🙂 “oh god where are they. are they ok. what is going on im scared. whats taking so long. Crap there is so many. AHHHHHHHHH. (sob)

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brickzedhunter

YA there are alot of shotguns but also alot of ammo and backpacks ect.

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Nikolai

And Oreos. We all know they’re zombie’s favorite cookies.

Dave

I took it as a Left 4 Dead reference. When a character is killed, you can usually find them later on in the game locked in a closet. Letting them out strengths the group back to full.

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the dude person

*claps even more loudly, winning the loudest clapping of the episode challenge for this week*

*stands next to ZombieMutts, takes a bow*

tyzan8

*shoots in head*”oh wait i don’t have a gun do i?”

Dave

Off the top of my head I would say:
Night of the Living Dead (I like the 1990 remake by Savini too)
Dawn of the Dead (The 2004 remake is pretty cool)
Day of the Dead
Zombi (Italian zombie flick, often called Zombi 2)
28 Days Later
28 Weeks Later (Good, but the original was incredible)
Shaun of the Dead
Rec (The American remake, Quarantine isn’t bad)
Fido (a bit weird, but still a cool movie)
White Zombie (old school zombies)
La Horde (not the best, but definitely worth a look)

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the dude person

Shaun of the Dead and La Horde are some of my favorites.

Also, if you’re checking out movies on Netflix, Dead Snow is another good foreign zombie flick. It’s in Norwegian, but thankfully, there are subtitles! It’s not quite as good as La Horde in my opinion, but it’s still pretty enjoyable.

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tyzan8

the charecters should at least give her a grave.even if she’s not in it.anyway it does look like the charecers are mourning her death(becuase of the sad faces)well good luck!

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Nikolai

I’m not sure if they have the time… Maybe just put a blanket on her?

“By simply covering a body with a blanket or sheet, it becomes really obvious that this guy had a buddy, a friend, and when he went down, his friend had compassion and covered him up.” – Jaime Sue, L4D Developer Commentary

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CallMePieOrDie

Now I’m 100% sure this story can only get better. The one thing I hate in most media is that main characters never die. I very much dislike plotkai, and the fact that this comic has none makes me twice the fan I was.

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someguy from reasonablyclever

Hey Dave, great comic! I’m LOVING the story! I just started it today!

Anyway…um, I’m a little confused regarding how often this is updated. Is it random or what?

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Silver Fox

Yes, you had a person with Shannon as their favorite.

As long as the mourning period for her isn’t like that mourning period out of The Walking Dead.

since she’s now a slab of plastic meat, I suspect someone like Murphy will be practical and put a bullet in her head?

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Dave

Hah, not nothing like the Walking Dead. Good lord that was over-the-top. Good show, but it needs some polish.

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Nikolai

Cheryl- “Sam, we have ba-”

Sam- “HOW could you let someone die 10 seconds after getting out?! I’m surprised you guys can even go to the BATHROOM by yourself!!”

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Dave

Hah. That’s very authoritative for Sam. But I guess he’d be pretty pumped after being a human diversion.

Nikolai

After almost letting Stew die, I’d think he’d pumped for anything.

CallMePieOrDie

Personally, I’m hoping Sam gets cut off from the group, for the time being, and runs into some of the other characters. (News crew, prisoners, maybe new survivors, etc) But that’s my own opinion.

Drew S.

Hello Dave you probably don’t remember me any more since my laptop stopped and it had to be fixed. Now that its working again I have to say things have really unfolded. So many things are happening who knows what will happen next.

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tyzan8

hey dave remeber when a few mnoths ago i was talking about5 forrestfire101?well he’s making a 30 minute long zombie mvoie an dit look’s great it’s called zombie universe won’t be out for a while but it look awesome.

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Dave

Sounds awesome. Keep us informed. I’m sure that’ll get featured as a Zombie Creation of the Week when it’s finished.

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Dave

Looks interesting. I thought it was going to be stop motion, but live action is still cool.

Those kids are kind of irritating though.

tyzan8

i too wonder that anyway i justg sent it to you for the footage and they’re 18 so i think it’s just them being 14 and yes they are really annoying that’s why i barely watch they’re vlogs just movies.and yeah sorry you thought it was stop-motion but i should have listed that it’s live action but they have done some good live action…and they use real guns with blanks in them in the movies they make(‘cept legos)that’s kinda weird.

Dave

Right on. The preview looked decent, especially since they still consider it rough.

someguy

Yo, Dave, Have you ever thought of introducing a Zombie Research Lab in the storyline? Y’know, something that scientists can use to test various things on zombies to try finding a cure? I think it’s something that is seldom used…without zombies biting someone on staff and thus infecting the entire lab.I just asked cause now I’m totally Lego-Zombie-obesessed and am making a ZRL of my own.

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guy

I know this doesn’t belong here, but I’m almost done with my contest entry. One more Internet order and it’ll be done.

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WJS

I’m with Stew for once.
“There’s nothing we can do for her now, we need to get out of here so we can remember her later.”

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